Legislature(1997 - 1998)

02/26/1997 01:10 PM House TRA

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 HB 63 -  AVIATION FUEL TAX EXEMPTION                                        
 Number 061                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS announced the first order of business to be HB
 63, "An Act extending the motor fuel tax exemption for fuel sold              
 for use in jet propulsion aircraft to fuel used in those aircraft             
 for flights that continue from a foreign country; and providing for           
 an effective date."                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 153                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GENE THERRIAULT stated that he would defer to the              
 committees wishes on whether they want to take action on the                  
 original bill or the committee substitute with the marine bunker              
 fuel.  He stated that although a number of years ago the                      
 legislature tried to put an incentive into statute to increase the            
 amount of marine bunker fuel that was sold in the state of Alaska,            
 the Department of Revenue has provided information that the actual            
 amount sold in the state has dropped off significantly.  He stated            
 that in 1996, 99,553 gallons of bunker fuel was sold which derived            
 $5,177 of tax to the state.  He stated that adding marine bunker              
 fuel will not impact the fiscal note very much, but hopefully it              
 will lure sales back into the state of Alaska.  There are a number            
 of cruise ships that come into the state but they are buying their            
 product out of state where they have a tax advantage.                         
                                                                               
 Number 304                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JOHN COWDERY stated that it was his understanding              
 that the bunker fuel or residual oil is also used to make coke in             
 coal.  He asked if there was anything that could be done to enhance           
 the Beluga Coal Fields.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 407                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT stated that this is the first time he had           
 heard of this and if the committee is uneasy about adding the                 
 bunker fuel onto the bill and would prefer not to,1 that would be             
 fine.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 453                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE KIM ELTON asked why is it limited just to passenger            
 watercraft.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 469                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE THERRIAULT replied that it is where the potential              
 sales or utilization of this type of fuel is anticipated to come              
 from.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 493                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BILL HUDSON asked if we were going to take up the              
 original bill or the committee substitute bill.                               
                                                                               
 Number 507                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS responded that before the committee is the                  
 original bill and it would be up to the committee members if they             
 want to take up the committee substitute.                                     
                                                                               
 Number 558                                                                    
                                                                               
 MARK NECESSARY, Senior Vice President, Tesoro, stated that Tesoro             
 supports HB 63.  He stated that HB 63 will help Alaskan refiners              
 remain competitive and at this time jet fuel produced outside the             
 state is entitled to the tax exemption.  It will encourage jobs and           
 investment in the state of Alaska.  He stated that recently Tesoro            
 announced the capital budget for 1997 to be $50 million, of which             
 $16 million is allocated to expand the hydrocracker unit at the               
 Kenai refinery which produces jet fuel.  He stated that it is                 
 ironic that Tesoro purchases Alaska crude oil at a premium price              
 then pays tax on a fuel that sells for considerably less than what            
 is paid for the raw material.  He stated that bunker fuel is a                
 residual from the crude oil after the light ends are extracted in             
 the refining process.  He stated that the only market for residual            
 fuel oil in Alaska are asphalt, bunker fuel, fuel for tankers and             
 cruise ships, and re-injection into the Trans-Alaskan Pipeline.  He           
 stated that the intent from Tesoro's prospective is for the bunker            
 fuel amendment to include all tankers.  He stated that the product            
 is currently subject to state fuel marine tax.  He stated that the            
 tax for bunker fuel is 5 cents per gallon.  This tax represents the           
 disproportional amount of cost for the bunker fuel.  He stated that           
 as a result of the current rate of taxation on this product, Alaska           
 bunker fuel oil is overpriced and Alaska producers can't compete              
 with suppliers from outside the state.  He stated that even though            
 many tankers and cruise ships call on Alaskan ports, minimal                  
 quantities of this extremely tax sensitive fuel oil are purchased             
 in Alaska.  He stated that Alaska bunkers contain less sulfur than            
 the average bunker used in Alaska waters.  The Alaska refiner                 
 transports the residual fuel oil to the west coast where it is                
 combined with an inferior bunker fuel that contains a much higher             
 level of sulfur, which is sold to the same vessels calling on                 
 Alaska ports.  He stated that this tax should be eliminated to                
 increase the marketability of a quality, value added Alaska                   
 petroleum product in a very competitive market.  He stated that               
 Tesoro would like to have the opportunity to develop the market for           
 this product.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 821                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked what Tesoro's average annual tax on the           
 bunker fuel is and what percentage of the bunker fuel does Tesoro             
 burn to manufacture other products.                                           
                                                                               
 Number 841                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. NECESSARY stated that Representative Therriault reference to              
 $5,000 being collected in 1996 probably pertains strictly to cruise           
 ships.  The Tesoro Kenai refinery used 130,000 barrels, this past             
 year.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 880                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if you paid $600,000 in taxes, one-               
 third of that would be taxes that are being paid on a product that            
 you are expending yourself.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 906                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY referred to his comments earlier regarding             
 residual fuel being used for coking operations in developing coal             
 fields and asked if the residual could be used for those purposes.            
                                                                               
 Number 936                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. NECESSARY replied that several years ago Tesoro had looked into           
 that and if the market were to develop, that would be a useful                
 market for that material.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 956                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY stated that the committee substitute should            
 be addressed.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 985                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JERRY SANDERS asked what period of time would $50              
 million be spent on the expansion.                                            
                                                                               
 Number 1005                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. NECESSARY stated that it would be between now and December 31,            
 1997.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1013                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked how many construction jobs this would            
 bring to Alaska and if workers would be brought in from outside               
 Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 1025                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. NECESSARY replied that the total estimate is about 250                    
 construction jobs, 160 will be allocated to the expansion of the              
 refinery and from that group it is expected to have 98 percent                
 Alaskan hire.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 1052                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked if it would primarily increase the jet           
 fuel or would it increase the bunker fuel as well.                            
                                                                               
 Number 1066                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. NECESSARY stated that it will increase the amount of jet fuel             
 by 1,700 barrels per day.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1074                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked that wouldn't it increase the bunker             
 fuel as well, since it is a by-product.                                       
                                                                               
 Number 1081                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. NECESSARY responded that it will not increase the amount of the           
 heavy material coming through the refinery.  He stated that the               
 unit it would be processed through would be a hydrocracker unit,              
 which cracks the molecule into smaller molecules, which produces              
 jet fuel.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1097                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked who the bunker fuel is sold to.                  
 Number 1107                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. NECESSARY replied that it is sold to the Liquid and Natural Gas           
 (LNG) Tankers that run between Nikiski and Japan and the rest is              
 for their own tankers.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 1133                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked that in other words, you are selling             
 this to yourself and paying a tax on it.  He asked if the reason it           
 is bought here is because they can't buy it in Japan.                         
                                                                               
 MR. NECESSARY replied that he could not answer that, but he would             
 presume that is the reason.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 1148                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS stated that he would think with their                  
 operations on Sahlalin island it would just be a short period of              
 time until they would be selling it to themselves in Japan and that           
 Tesoro would lose that market too and asked if Tesoro would be the            
 only one in Alaska that is paying the tax.                                    
                                                                               
 MR. NECESSARY replied that is correct.                                        
                                                                               
 Number 1169                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS stated that he thought the committee                   
 substitute should be addressed.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 1180                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if someone from revenue could address             
 the dollar amounts, so we would know not just from the industry but           
 also from the agencies.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 1203                                                                   
                                                                               
 BOB BARTHOLOMEW, Deputy Director, Income and Excise Audit Division,           
 Department of Revenue, stated that the history of bunker fuel sales           
 in 1994 and 1995 equaled $200,000 in revenue.  In 1996 what has               
 been reported as sale of bunker fuel has dropped off considerably.            
 He stated it could be because consumption has dropped off or                  
 because it was netted with other kinds of fuel upon reporting.  He            
 stated that an option that the state took and the department                  
 supported was in 1994, a proposed alternative to the complete                 
 repeal of the tax.  A special act was passed that stated a certain            
 threshold on bunker fuel, which was 4 million gallons and as soon             
 as this was sold the tax was dropped from 5 cents a gallon to 1               
 cent a gallon.  This provided an incentive to sell bunker fuel and            
 the state still received some of the revenue.  He stated that an              
 option would be to extend this option that expires in 1998.  He               
 stated that the 400 million gallons equates to $200,000 dollars in            
 tax.                                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 1365                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON made a motion to adopt CSHB 63, B draft,                
 before the committee.                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1380                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked if there were any objections.                         
                                                                               
 Number 1386                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ELTON stated that he would object for clarification            
 purposes.  He stated that the draft before us now would only apply            
 to bunker fuel that is sold to passenger watercraft.  He asked if             
 he was correct in sensing that there is some wish to expand that              
 beyond passenger watercraft.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 1439                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY stated that it was his intentions to extend            
 it so it would allow development of the Beluga Coal Field, because            
 it is a low yield field and it is one of the largest fields on tide           
 water in the nation, but in order to make it competitive there                
 needs to be a residual of oil.                                                
                                                                               
 Number 1480                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated that he believed the committee                   
 substitute needs to be adopted before it could be amended.                    
                                                                               
 Number 1497                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ELTON stated that he would maintain his objection.             
                                                                               
 Number 1515                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS called for a roll call vote.  Representatives               
 Cowdery, Kookesh, Hudson, Sanders, Masek and Williams voted in                
 favor of the motion.  Representative Elton voted against motion.              
 Committee Substitute HB 63 was adopted before the committee.                  
                                                                               
 Number 1525                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked the Department of Revenue where it               
 would be appropriate to put the amendment in the bill.                        
                                                                               
 Number 1556                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BARTHOLOMEW stated that the department has not been involved in           
 the drafting of the amendment so he would hesitate to comment until           
 he has the intent in writing.                                                 
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY stated that maybe the language could be                
 added in the next committee of referral.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1604                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS stated that maybe the committee could agree            
 on an conceptual amendment.                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated that a memo will be sent along with the              
 bill.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1623                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated that if we are going modify or amend             
 the bill then we would have to ask for an amended fiscal note to              
 carry along with it.  He suggested that the committee pass out the            
 bill and attach a letter of intent to the next committee of                   
 referral.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1653                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS stated that if page 2, line 21 had the word            
 passenger eliminated from it would eliminate the need for lines 24            
 through 26.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 1684                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ELTON stated that it would not address                         
 Representative Cowdery's concern of the use of this kind of fuel to           
 create a coal slurry.  He stated that the reason he objected to the           
 bill was because he had a sense that the committee would want to go           
 on further.  He would prefer it if it just addressed the problem              
 that was originally presented, this is a last minute change that              
 will lead to further change.  He stated that the committee is                 
 taking a bill that addresses a discreet problem and is trying to              
 fix other things by reducing the revenue that comes to the state at           
 a time when more programs are being taken out.  He stated that it             
 is a problem that Tesoro pays a tax on fuel that they are selling             
 to themselves but beyond that causes problems.  He stated that the            
 committee is making a substantive change that is going to make him            
 rethink his position on the bill.                                             
                                                                               
 Number 1808                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated that this was talked about when the bill             
 was first brought to the committee and the language of the title of           
 the bill was tightened up.  He stated that this should take care of           
 Representative Elton's concern.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 1837                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ELTON stated, "that it does help a lot.  I guess the           
 growth that I see in this bill is I can swallow this bill when it             
 says passenger watercraft.  I might even be able to swallow this              
 bill if it says passenger watercraft and let's not tax somebody               
 selling bunker fuel to themselves.  Going beyond that would be                
 allowed under the title."  He stated that the coking idea for coal            
 may be a great idea and he understands that there could be a                  
 potential problem competing with refineries, that in the future may           
 be placed overseas at which he would then revisit the bill.  He               
 stated he is not comfortable with extending this, in light of a               
 potential problem down the road when it means that we are taking              
 $200,000 out of the general fund.                                             
                                                                               
 Number 1882                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY stated that he would have no problem moving            
 the bill and working with the sponsor in the next committee of                
 referral.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1911                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BEVERLY MASEK made a motion to move CSHB 63(TRA), 0-           
 LS0262\B, Chenoweth, 2/26/97 with the following fiscal notes and              
 individual recommendations.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 1930                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked if there was an objection.  Hearing none,             
 CSHB 63(TRA) was moved out of the House Transportation Standing               
 Committee.                                                                    
                                                                               

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